The Queue: Tanks and raid leading

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Today's Queue is coming out at 11 o'clock in the AM, specifically for one of our readers.

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Fraug asked:

What role does your raid leader play?

I've been an infrequent raider over the years, but I've never played a raid where the leader wasn't one of the tanks. Seriously. Never a healer, never a dps, always a tank. I understand that there's some psychology at work there, but it still strikes me as odd. Do non-tank raid leaders exist?

Yes, non-tank raid leaders do exist. The one that I had for a few years recently was mainly a DPS (and a good one at that, he knew the rogue class quite well); although he did switch into being a tank when necessary. I've always preferred if the raid leader is a DPS actually, it gives them more time to focus on raid as a whole rather than the micro-engagements necessary in tanking modern fights.

Now that said there's a reason that a lot of raid leaders are tanks. In general you'll find that a raid tank is the type of person who isn't afraid to take a group of 24 other people and say "Come this way. Stay behind me and you'll be safe." That's a quality not only of a good and capable tank, but also of a leader in general (especially when they follow through on it). Those types of individuals seem to be uniquely drawn to the tank motif and are subsequently sucked into the idea of raid leading.

Now, is this a good thing or bad thing?

In my opinion it's a bad thing. With the more complicated fights Blizzard has made it more difficult to tank and raid lead at the same time, meaning that you're logically going to get one of three things: 1) an awesome player who can handle the new complications just fine while tanking and raid leading; 2) a tank who doesn't do as well with raid leading (or quits raid leading all together); or 3) a raid leader who doesn't do as well at tanking (or quits tanking all together). This might seem academic to think of things in these terms, but it serves to illustrate an important point in overall design: there's always a tradeoff to every decision. Even what are seen as (mostly) universally good decisions like increasing the complexity of raids, there still is a down side.

What can change here to solve, or remove from consideration, the duality of tanking and raid leading, is to make the fights a bit easier for tanks. Yes, this would have a host of other issues, but it would leave the window open for tanks to do what they do best: lead us into battle.

Mixxie asked:

Not sure if this has been asked before, but: what's with all the overturned caravans in Northern Barrens that don't actually exist? Is it a phasing thing? Or do you have to be close to the caravan?

As others in the comments noted it appears to be a phasing thing. Of course no one is really sure, but we all think that because we've seen a lot of messed up stuff happen in the Barrens lately. I love the new content there, but I get the feeling it was released with lingering issues. Which itself is rather unlike Blizzard's "release it when it's ready" concept.

Then again, these issues might just be related to having things on a live server. It'd be yar if things were fixed though.

Rona asked:

Why were we left alone in Pandaria for our first two months? I'll concede that the portals in Paw'don and Stormwind are probably just a convenience for the players, but why were Sky Admiral Rogers and her ship recalled to Stormwind? What were they doing that was more important than taking Anduin home or bringing more soldiers and supplies?

My understanding is that they were called off to bring the rest of the Alliance to Pandaria. This is what happened in 5.1 -- the factions arrived in full force. You (the player) were not abandoned as much as strategically placed as a forward scouting unit.

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The Light and How to Swing It: The problem with tanks

Every week, WoW Insider brings you The Light and How to Swing It for holy, protection and retribution paladins. Protection specialist Matt Walsh spends most of his time receiving concussions for the benefit of 9 other people, obsessing over his hair, and maintaining the tankadin-focused blog Righteous Defense.

Last Thursday, Ghostcrawler tweeted something which caused a bit of a stir within the tanking community. In it he revealed that the devs were looking at some strict caps for Vengeance levels (30% of health for 10s, 50% for 25s) that would prevent tanks from using Vengeance to pursue unintended things like solo tanking a two-tank raid boss or standing in fire to stack really obscene amounts of attack power.

Now, this isn't another column about the virtues or not of Vengeance. That's a pretty mutilated horse at this point, and from the looks of it, the mechanic is not going anywhere any time soon. However, the brief rekindling of the Vengeance debate did once again shine some light on what is a continuing problem in WoW: what should tanks be allowed to do (in terms of damage output) and what can be done to keep players from parlaying excessive survivability into unintended advantages?

What do you do when one third (arguably two-thirds, a lot of this can apply to healers as well) of your players' roles revolves around the mitigation and prevention of damage, and the primary means you have of creating barriers or challenges for players is the threat of character death?

Where we were

Back to Vengeance briefly -- when the mechanic was first introduced, it was billed as a response to a problem that had arisen with the unexpected item level inflation of Wrath. By the end of the expansion, DPS throughput began to truly test many tanks that had spent the previous tiers of the expansion stacking more and more survivability while DPS were improving their damage. The threat ceiling loomed close in raids for many players.

Vengeance, which allowed tanks to scale their threat output in relation to the damage they were taking (which scaled tier to tier), generally solved that problem -- for good or ill, as some would argue. The buff to threat modifiers mid-way through Cataclysm then outright removed any further worries of threat from a tank's mind, outside of sticky threat swaps.

While a success with its effect on the raiding sphere, the footprint of Vengeance reached far wider than just the boundaries of any raid. As anyone who leveled protection in Wrath and then Cataclysm can attest, those were two very different experiences, thanks to Vengeance. In Wrath, where we could do 30-40% of the average damage of a DPS player, we could eventually kill a mob in a one-on-one fight before either us or the mob died of old age. Arguably it was the golden age of tank (solo) single-target damage. In Cataclysm, with the yoke of Vengeance firmly on our necks and tanks only able to do about 20% of the damage a DPS could, we were not so lucky.

This extended to being an issue for many tanks when it came to doing dailies. In Wrath, I always made a point of doing dailies in my main, protection spec. I was way more familiar (and comfortable) with the playstyle, and I appreciated the extra survivability that being protection offered. In Cataclysm, unless I pulled a huge crowd of mobs, there was just no way it made sense to do dailies as anything other than retribution. It would have taken me three times as long to clear the same quests in protection spec.

A thin line to walk

There is a balance to be had with regards to tank damage output, though we do not currently have it. At one extreme, you'd have battlegrounds full of pseudo-tanks running around shield-slamming clothies to death and guffawing at rogues that furiously attempt to sneak their tiny daggers past layers and layers of plate and hit points. At the other extreme, you have what we have now: where you should really only spec tank for group, PvE content (and maybe some very limited PvP situations) and for anything else you switch to your DPS offspec.

Think of all the new content that has been added in this expansion that you'd be crazy to try to run in your preferred protection spec. If you were doing a Troves of the Thunder King run, you'd get bogged down by the very first troll you accidentally pulled. Sure, you wouldn't die, even if you stood in an alarm circle and got multiple mobs on you -- but you'd waste way too much time trying to kill them all. Time is of the essence, and none is available to waste.

The Brawler's Guild is similarly a terrible idea to try to do as a tank. Considering the enrages, both on the mob and the crowd of real players that you would be holding up by taking forever to kill your opponent; damage capability is of the essence. And while as a tank you'd ostensibly have a huge advantage (game-breaking perhaps), if the arena nukes you for taking too long to kill something (and it will), that advantage ultimately isn't worth squat.

My question is: is the current situation the best solution for the game? Isn't there a happy medium between the two extremes -- of god-tanks and our current weak-noodle tanks that require Vengeance to kill anything in a reasonable amount of time?

I understand why tank damage output is as low as it is right now. It would not be healthy for the game, for multiple obvious reasons, if being a tank meant that you had a game-breaking advantage over another DPS player in certain kinds of content.

Restoring the balance

I think the current situation has created some quality of life -- and fun -- issues for many players that style themselves as main-spec tanks. Personally, I love being a tank. I love running around with a shield strapped to my arm and the confidence that I am a bulwark against my foes. It is not particularly fun that I have to shuck off that play style anytime I want to do anything in WoW that doesn't involve 9 or 24 other people and computer-controlled enemies.

For example, I would love it if there was the possibility of doing the Brawler's Guild as a tank, with some kind of switch being flipped that made the opponent have less health but do more damage. The primary test could be how well you can perform your active mitigation rotation, much like how a DPS is tasked with performing their damage rotation, all while avoiding the same pitfalls and obstacles of each fight. It would go a long way to make me feel more relevant as a main-spec tank in the wider world of the game.

Nonetheless, all that said, I don't believe that Vengeance is the blame for our present situation (to bring it back to the spark that set this diatribe off). It is but one of several knobs available to the devs that tune tank damage.

Instead, I think the problem is that the devs have decided to play it safe and keep tank damage far too low at the baseline, and use Vengeance to compensate so that there are no major raiding ramifications. This may keep things on the level at the macro level, but for a specific subset of players (anyone who considers themselves first and foremost a tank) there are some very annoying consequences. I really don't think it needs to be this way, we can do better than this. The Light and How to Swing It shows paladin tanks how to combat the Sha in the strange new land of Pandaria. Try out the new control gearing strategy, learn how to make the most of the new active mitigation system on your tankadin, and check out how to deck out your fresh 90 tank to get ready for any raids! Tags: featured, guide-to-paladins, guide-to-pallies, guide-to-pallys, paladin-guide, paladin-info, paladin-protection-the-light-and-how-to-swing-it, paladin-talents, pally-guide, pally-info, pally-talents, protection-paladin-the-light-and-how-to-swing-it, tanking, tanks, Threat, vengeance, wow-paladin, wow-paladin-info, wow-paladins, wow-pally, wow-pally-info

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